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\u00ab\u00a0Le 8 juillet 2011, Suzanne Berger, professeur au MIT (Massachusetts Institute of Technology) [\u2026] prend la parole en revenant sur le d\u00e9bat tr\u00e8s ancien lib\u00e9ralisme-d\u00e9mocratie. Elle va tenir des propos \u00e9clairants :<\/p>\n

\u2014\u00a0Les fondateurs de la R\u00e9publique am\u00e9ricaine \u00e9taient profond\u00e9ment pr\u00e9occup\u00e9s de la question de savoir s\u2019il \u00e9tait possible d\u2019avoir en m\u00eame temps un gouvernement d\u00e9mocratique et un syst\u00e8me \u00e9conomique fond\u00e9 sur la propri\u00e9t\u00e9 individuelle. Comme James Madison l\u2019expliquait, le plus grand danger pour une d\u00e9mocratie est que les citoyens s\u2019organisent, se mobilisent, \u201cs\u2019instituent en factions\u201d pour promouvoir la demande majoritaire de redistribution par rapport au droit \u00e0 la propri\u00e9t\u00e9<\/em>\u00b9.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Suzanne Berger n\u2019invente rien. James Madison, dont elle a prononc\u00e9 le nom, n\u2019est pas n\u2019importe qui. Co-auteur de la Constitution am\u00e9ricaine, il fut le quatri\u00e8me pr\u00e9sident des Etats-Unis. Pour Madison, \u201cle gouvernement repr\u00e9sentatif n\u2019\u00e9tait pas une modalit\u00e9 de la d\u00e9mocratie, c\u2019\u00e9tait une forme de gouvernement essentiellement diff\u00e9rente et, de surcro\u00eet, pr\u00e9f\u00e9rable\u201d. Il consid\u00e9rait que d\u00e9mocratie et \u00e9conomie de march\u00e9 n\u2019allaient pas de pair. \u201cLes d\u00e9mocraties<\/strong>, \u00e9crivait-il, ont toujours \u00e9t\u00e9 des spectacles de turbulences et de contestations <\/strong>[\u2026] incompatibles avec la s\u00e9curit\u00e9 personnelle et le droit \u00e0 la propri\u00e9t\u00e9<\/strong>\u00b2.\u201d\u00a0\u00bb<\/p>\n

1. Suzanne Berger,\u00a0Liberalism vs democracy, a turning point<\/em>, intervention aux rencontres \u00e9conomiques d\u2019Aix-en-Provence, juillet 2011.<\/p>\n

2. Bernard Manin,\u00a0Principes du gouvernement repr\u00e9sentatif<\/em>, Calmann-L\u00e9vy, 1995.<\/p>\n

Christophe Deloire et Christophe Dubois,\u00a0Circus politicus<\/em>, Albin Michel, Paris, 2012.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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